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Helen Tupper: Hello, I am Helen. Sarah Ellis: And I am Sarah. Helen Tupper: And that is the Squiggly Careers podcast, a weekly podcast the place we discuss concerning the ins, outs, ups and downs of labor and share some concepts for motion, some instruments so that you can check out, to present you somewhat bit extra confidence and management over your profession growth. And this week, we’re diving into the world of synthetic intelligence. Sarah Ellis: I am unable to consider that we’re, to be sincere! Helen Tupper: I am unable to consider I’ve received you to do it! Sarah Ellis: Possibly AI may very well be recording this! Helen Tupper: I do not know. Possibly it is not you, possibly it is not me. No, I really feel prefer it could be slicker if it was AI than us! Sarah Ellis: A lot slicker! Helen Tupper: A lot slicker than what could be coming!  Yeah, I am fairly shocked that I’ve persuaded you to do that, and then you definately’ve gone off and found a great deal of different stuff. I am very impressed along with your dedication to the podcast this week. Sarah Ellis: Effectively, , open mindset and all that! Helen Tupper: So, we’ll inform you somewhat bit extra about what we’ve performed and learnt and the way it will make it easier to along with your growth in a minute, however Sarah, I do know that you’ve some excellent news for our listeners. Sarah Ellis: I do certainly. So, Squiggly Profession e-book. We have now turned The Squiggly Profession right into a video e-book. I say we; we did not do any of the manufacturing, which is why it seems unimaginable and has fascinating animations, it has us on display doing drawings, it has a great deal of Squiggly Profession tales. And in case you’ve not come throughout a video e-book earlier than, it actually does what it says on the tin. It is about 50 minutes lengthy, it is all damaged down into movies for every of the chapters. You get to obtain the entire workouts and the workbook. We predict it is a actually fascinating and inclusive means of studying, as a result of it is actually visible. You may break it down, it feels actually bitesize. You may really obtain it and in addition watch it offline, which I feel is sort of useful for folks’s commute and issues like that. And really handily, for 4 weeks, everyone who listens to the podcast can get a free copy of The Squiggly Profession video e-book. So, if you wish to attempt it out principally and simply see whether or not it is useful for you, you may get The Squiggly Profession, after which clearly if you wish to have a look at different ones, you are able to do that. So, easy methods to get your free video e-book of The Squiggly Profession. You want to go to litvideobooks.com/the-squiggly-career. After all, we’ll put that URL within the present notes and we’ll share it after we share this podcast episode. After which principally, you click on to purchase, you go to your cart to do your checkout and also you create an account. After which your code, all capitals, is SQUIGGLYCAREERSPODCAST. So, I do know that is at all times a bit difficult to take heed to and jot that down, so possibly that is the one time the place you assume, “I’ll have a look at the present notes for the primary time ever”, as a result of I do know that is not one thing that I do in a podcast fairly often. Or, you may at all times electronic mail us, [email protected], in case you get a bit misplaced and you’ll’t discover it. You should utilize the video e-book on both web site or cellular with the identical login, so hopefully it can really feel useful. I hope that appears like a helpful factor for our listeners, and we might love some suggestions. So, in case you do get your free copy, in case you’ve had an opportunity to look at it, we might like to know your reflections, what works properly about it, any “even higher ifs”, whether or not you assume it is one thing you’d use once more sooner or later. So hopefully, an excellent little further Squiggly bonus to begin this week’s episode. Helen Tupper: What a Squiggly bonus; free studying in trade for suggestions! So, let’s discuss synthetic intelligence. So, it’s a subject getting a great deal of consideration and to be sincere, I’ve heard folks speaking about it and I’ve virtually been pondering, “Are you aware what, I must look into that somewhat bit extra”. It has been on my studying listing for some time like, “Oh my gosh, is ChapGPT going to switch profession teaching? What does this imply for the way forward for our enterprise? I ought to most likely look into this”, nevertheless it kind of felt, I do not know, very noisy on numerous social media web sites, and I wasn’t actually positive the place to begin with it. However I assumed it is value experimenting with. So, the explanation we’re overlaying it is because we do assume there’s some potential worth in among the instruments which are pushed by synthetic intelligence that might make it easier to along with your growth, however we wished to road-test it for you first. So, we wished to take numerous completely different, I name it use instances, and Sarah’s like, “That sounds means too technical”; numerous various things that you just may do in your day-to-day principally, the conventional stuff that you’d do, after which take all these instruments that everybody’s speaking about and work out, are they really helpful; is it plenty of noise, or is it useful? Whether it is useful, then possibly we should always convey these into our work, into the way in which our groups work and simply get a bit extra snug with them. And if it is not useful, possibly we should always simply do what we do rather well as people and cease getting distracted by all of the headlines. So, we’re your guineapigs, we’ve road-tested this stuff for you, and we will be as sensible as attainable about what we take into consideration them. Sarah Ellis: I actually keep in mind a number of years in the past listening to the Chief Artistic Officer of Fb, and so they have been known as Fb at the moment, speaking concerning the significance of play, and the way if you play with tech, you actually get a really feel for what it does and the way it works. So, as a lot as I feel you may examine AI, and I’ve performed a little bit of studying and I’ve learn a number of articles and seen folks share completely different factors of view and views on the ethics of AI, or the way it can work alongside us, relatively than in opposition to us, or the way it could make our lives simpler, I do assume it is solely when you will have a go that you just simply get an actual concept for the stage that that know-how is at, the way it may assist, whether or not it would not give you the results you want. So, I feel that’s virtually the primary message that I might encourage everyone to have a take into consideration if you’re listening, virtually in a really no-pressure kind of means, can you will have a play, a bit like Helen and I’ve performed; and truthfully, the extra I’ve performed with all the things, the extra enjoyable I’ve had, as a result of I’ve not felt like, “I have to be doing this, as a result of I really feel like it is going to change me tomorrow”; I’ve felt extra, “How can it assist me?” beginning off with an optimistic mindset of pondering, “Hopefully there’s some good things to be learnt alongside the way in which”. That has positively been true, actually for someone who’s not as into tech as Helen is. However I feel, if I’ve loved it, I reckon everyone else can too. Helen Tupper: So, what we’ll do is we’ll undergo the conditions after we assume you should use these things and we’ll discuss concerning the instruments that we tried out, after which we’ll summarise all of it for you. So, within the PodSheet, which you may get from our web site, amazingif.com, you will discover the entire hyperlinks there. After which, in case you observe us on social media, @amazingif on Instagram, or @amazingif, our LinkedIn web page, we’ll do a PodNote there in order that you can obtain it and you can check out these instruments and discover them actually simply. However yeah, it is extra about having a play, having a go, experimenting and simply having fun with it and seeing what occurs. I feel that is what Sarah and I’ve performed. Additionally, Sarah and I have not actually talked about this, so I do not know what she thinks of the instruments that she’s tried out, so I’m listening and studying similtaneously you. So, Sarah, the very first thing that you just did was used AI that can assist you write a CV. Sarah Ellis: Yeah, so I used one thing known as Kickresume, and we have performed a “what labored properly; even higher if”, clearly, for every of the AI instruments. Who knew the AI may most likely do the “what labored properly; even higher if” for you of their very own software, which will get a bit meta if you concentrate on it like that! However what I actually appreciated about Kickresume, and usually once I’ve checked out CVs, there at the moment are so many examples to borrow brilliance from. I really assume there is no excuse to not have an honest CV now, as a result of there are skilled guides that you would be able to learn on Kickresume, so it does provide you with content material. I feel that content material is written by people; I feel it’s as a result of they describe the consultants. I do not assume they’re made-up consultants. I used to be like, “What’s actual and what’s not?” However I feel the skilled guides are written, there’s a great deal of examples, there’s a great deal of templates. Then what you are able to do, which I did attempt, is you may flip your LinkedIn into your CV, and so they present you step-by-step easy methods to do it. I adopted these steps and I may do it. Who knew you may obtain all your information from LinkedIn, however you may! So, I kind of have this file on my laptop now with all of my LinkedIn. You actually pop it into Kickresume, you select the template that you really want, so clearly I liked doing that, I liked choosing, I used to be like, “Which one do I need?” I used to be trying on the design, clearly I fairly like trying on the design stuff. After which it kind of places all the things in there for you. Now, is it 100% proper; is it a CV I’d ever ship to anybody? After all not, as a result of it principally can solely take and scrape the info that is there. So, would I wish to personalise it? Sure. Are there some stuff you’d change? After all. But it surely does do, I reckon, 60% to 70% of the onerous give you the results you want, in case your LinkedIn is updated, as a result of clearly it is put in all of the dates, it is put in all of the roles, it offers you so many options of, “You might do it a bit like this [or] here is easy methods to write a extremely good cowl letter, here is easy methods to write a extremely good abstract”. The vast majority of what I discovered on Kickresume and on different locations is free. More often than not, there are some free issues that you would be able to entry. After which normally, sooner or later, you hit a paywall, as a result of I assume sooner or later they need to make some cash. So, paywalls could be, in case you wished ten completely different templates, or in case you wished numerous examples of canopy letters. The one factor I’d say I discovered once I was significantly taking a look at CVs and canopy letters, as a result of I suppose they’re an apparent utility for AI, is it virtually turns into overwhelming. I used to be like, “Wow, there are 100 completely different choices for what my CV ought to appear to be”, some which you’ll rapidly low cost, however I used to be like, “How do I do know if that one’s higher than one other one? They do go fairly far. On the CV templates, they put logos and so they’ll say, “A CV on this format, this particular person was employed by Adidas”, and so they title the manufacturers and principally they’re saying, “This has labored”. It is kind of a stamp of approval, which I used to be like, “Oh, that is fairly fascinating”. So, I feel my conclusion on the CV and canopy letter stuff was, it is an incredible place to begin in case you’re feeling a bit caught. I feel it might problem you to possibly contemplate doing a CV in a barely completely different means, or possibly together with some issues like abilities or capabilities in several methods. I positively noticed stuff that I assumed, “I might borrow that concept”. Do you continue to must do among the heavy lifting to essentially be certain that it displays you and it tonally feels best for you? Sure, however I nonetheless felt like there was numerous helpful stuff available. Helen Tupper: And you stated you linked it to your LinkedIn after which it received you kind of 60%, 70% there with a CV that you’d then must personalise; how lengthy did that course of take, from logging on, connecting with LinkedIn? Sarah Ellis: So, there was a three-step course of, which I did the primary two steps, after which you need to wait 24 hours to get the obtain from LinkedIn, so that you could not do all of it on the identical day. So, I did it yesterday, I received the recordsdata right this moment from LinkedIn, they each got here by way of; that was very easy. You actually drag and drop them into Kickresume. The CV seems then straightaway within the template. In the event you wished it that day, you would not be capable of do it, however inside two days you may. Helen Tupper: Fascinating. Okay, so think about you have received this superb CV that you’ve got from Kickresume, and then you definately’ve improved it your self along with your very human abilities, then you definately get an interview. So, the subsequent little bit of AI we want is to assist us put together for an interview, and I used interviewschool.com. So, I went onto the web site, I did it earlier than the paywall, so there’s a paywall factor the place you get a great deal of completely different interviews that you would be able to take. I simply went with one which was accessible for everyone. So, Sarah, I interviewed for a gross sales government at Verizon, and I sat there at my kitchen desk, and this AI man interviewed me for the job. And truthfully, it was so actual that my little boy, Henry, got here as much as me and was like, “Mummy, is that this reside?” and I used to be like, “No, however get out, I am being interviewed by AI. Get out of the display!” Sarah Ellis: “Do not interrupt me, I wish to move this interview, I wish to win”! Helen Tupper: Effectively, have you learnt, it received somewhat bit like that. So, this man, this AI, was asking me a collection of questions that might give me follow by way of answering for this job as a gross sales government, and I really felt somewhat bit beneath strain. Sarah Ellis: That is most likely an excellent factor although, proper? Helen Tupper: Yeah, and so they have been really fairly good questions. However he’d say like, “Discuss a time if you’ve negotiated for one thing that you just wished at work”, and then you definately reply it. And while you’re answering it, he is nodding and transferring his head in fairly a practical means! Sarah Ellis: So bizarre! Helen Tupper: It is so bizarre! And then you definately do your reply and then you definately press “subsequent query” after which he comes at you with the subsequent query. It does really feel somewhat bit like he is coming at you with the subsequent query, as a result of in case you have been interviewing me, there can be a little bit of rapport. Sarah Ellis: Okay, yeah. Helen Tupper: So, I’d ask you a query, you may ask a follow-up query on what I’ve stated, so there is a pure circulation that possibly creates connection in an interview; whereas, this was like an interrogation for a gross sales job, somewhat bit! However equally, he requested me about six or seven questions, they have been good questions, they made me take into consideration my solutions, and then you definately received suggestions on the readability of your solutions, on key phrases, in your tempo, all these types of issues. So really, I feel it’s fairly good preparation so that you can really feel somewhat bit extra assured. It is kind of like a role-play that nobody else sees, and I’d have give you extra concepts because of doing that, than if I would just turned up on the interview with an actual particular person. Sarah Ellis: Gone, straight for interview. Helen Tupper: Yeah. So, I feel it was good. Like I say, I simply did one of many ones that have been accessible, and I feel in case you pay, you get entry to extra particular jobs, extra particular prep. However I feel it is value it. I’d advocate Interview Faculty in case you’ve received an interview developing, to practise your abilities, really feel assured in your solutions. Sarah Ellis: Something that you just did not like, or that did not fairly give you the results you want? Helen Tupper: It is speculated to generate a report for me and that took fairly a very long time. It stated it was going to take it in quarter-hour and it took a very long time, and so I assumed, a few of it is not fairly there but. The concept and alternative is fairly spectacular, however among the tech’s not fairly there but, nonetheless somewhat bit glitchy. So, that was most likely an “even higher if” on that platform, however I feel it’s extremely, very practically there. No, I feel simply I would not wish to assume — have you learnt what, it made me assume two issues really. It made me assume, “Gosh, really interviews are nicer”. So, I would not need somebody to assume that was what an interview was going to be like, that you need to be interrogated, as a result of I feel it can be crucial that you just ask questions again, and it’s important that there is rapport, and also you get none of that. After which the opposite factor that it made me assume was, what if corporations begin doing this as the primary spherical? Sarah Ellis: That is what I used to be simply pondering. Helen Tupper: Yeah. Sarah Ellis: Once they’ve received to do filtering, absolutely corporations are going to begin utilizing it. Helen Tupper: And also you and me, I feel we’d give you concepts and it might be the bouncing between folks that might most likely assist us to be our greatest. So it made me assume, “If corporations are going to make use of this as first-round screening, I really feel like that might display out folks that could be actually good, as a result of that is simply not a very snug means of speaking for some folks”. So, that is my solely little, “I am not 100% positive about it”. Sarah Ellis: Pink flag? Helen Tupper: Yeah, somewhat bit. Sarah Ellis: Yeah. And I feel again to you level about usability, I discovered an actual distinction with all the things I examined. I received very aggravated if it is too onerous to check. So, I feel with all of them, when it is easy to entry and straightforward to have a go at, in the event that they’ve principally eliminated boundaries to entry, they’re all those that I received most concerned in, began taking part in with hundreds extra. Once they have been making you enroll, and I am positive it is as a result of all of them need your information, however there have been a great deal of hoops to undergo, I simply misplaced curiosity, or I used to be like, “You make this too onerous for me to even check out”. I feel with plenty of them, as a result of they’re at fairly early levels, those which are actually sensible are simply making it very easy to check and simply have some enjoyable with. Helen Tupper: Okay, so we have written our CV, we have performed our interview, we have got the job, we’re now within the day-to-day of our work and we’re most likely in back-to-back conferences, we’re doing shows, we’re doing Groups calls, we’re doing Zoom calls, so how can AI assist us now? Effectively, it could possibly make it easier to to enhance your communications within the conferences. There may be one software that I paid for, and it’s poised.com, as a result of I used to be so intrigued about how may this assist me enhance my presenting abilities, my communications, and it is actually good, it is actually, actually good! That is one among my favourites. Sarah Ellis: You bought so smitten by this, I used to be like, “She completely loves no matter that is!” Helen Tupper: I am unsure you are going to love this. Sarah Ellis: Inform us extra. Helen Tupper: Okay. So that you go on poised.com and I feel I paid £15 and I will flip it off quickly, as a result of I simply did it for the advantage of our listeners, and what it does is you join it to your Microsoft Groups and your Zoom account. That was fairly easy, did not take me lengthy to try this. After which it sits within the background of your conferences. Sarah Ellis: Oh my God, no! Helen Tupper: I do know you are not going to love this; wait! So, it sits within the background of your conferences, and each one among your conferences, it is recording simply you, not the opposite folks, simply you. And what it does, it does two issues. So, actual time, you get suggestions in your pitch, your tempo, your filler phrases, your domination of the dialogue; actual time, you may see this all flashing up. After which afterwards, what it does is it saves all of the insights on a dashboard, and it offers it a rating. So, you may see total what was your communication rating. Sarah Ellis: I am taking a look at yours now, since you’ve given me a diagram to have a look at. Helen Tupper: I do know, and then you definately get a great deal of suggestions in your confidence and readability and all this type of stuff. Mine’s somewhat bit deceptive, I feel, as a result of plenty of what we do on Zoom is we’re presenting Squiggly classes, so it is barely deceptive, however I may simply delete these Squiggly classes and have a look at it extra as precise conversations in conferences, and that can most likely give me fairer. However unsurprisingly, Sarah, I rating fairly extremely on the power and my communications, and fairly badly on my tempo, as a result of most of my suggestions is that I ought to decelerate somewhat bit, which isn’t new information to you, actual buddy, not AI buddy! So, yeah, I’d actually advocate it. What do you assume? Sarah Ellis: Yeah, that is fascinating. I imply, I actually do not agree with in-the-moment suggestions, as a result of that is so counter to — I imply, right this moment, I used to be speaking to a bunch concerning the significance of being current and distraction downfalls and the way the standard of our consideration equals the standard of our pondering. So, in case you instantly are giving real-time pop-up suggestions that’s distracting you from a dialog, particularly if you’re already someone who is sort of simply distracted, and I usually ask folks, “How usually are you interrupted in a day?” primarily what that is doing is interrupting you. So, I’m very anti that by way of focus. Helen Tupper: However you may flip it off. Sarah Ellis: Yeah, in case you can flip it off; nice. Helen Tupper: Each time, I’ve additionally discovered that distracting, however I am simply taking a look at it now, I feel it is really recording me now, hilariously! Sarah Ellis: Oh, nice, I am getting recorded and I do not even know; that is precisely why we want ethics! Helen Tupper: It would not document you, it simply data me. But it surely says right here, I did a session earlier and it says, “You might have sounded extra assured by deliberately pausing to breathe. It lets you really feel in charge of your message”. Sarah Ellis: Breathe Helen, Goddamn it, breathe! Helen Tupper: Breathe! Then it has somewhat assertion that I stated, after which you may play again, it data simply that little clip. So, the recommendation it offers you, it simply snips that little bit so you may play it again and take heed to it. Sarah Ellis: I do assume that’s helpful. Helen Tupper: It’s actually, actually sensible and I do assume it is helpful as properly. I feel I’d advocate this to folks. Sarah Ellis: I really feel like I may need a go at that one, flip off mechanically straightaway the reside suggestions factor as a result of I do not agree with that. I do not perceive how that might ever be helpful for the way in which that our brains work and what we find out about our brains. However I do assume generally, I’ve received some hypotheses about some issues that I feel I do, however it might be actually nice to get suggestions on these issues that I feel are unhelpful. So, you have been saying, “Possibly I do find out about tempo, however possibly it is actually bolstered that”? I feel I am not pretty much as good once I’m assembly somebody for the primary time, as a result of I feel I get nervous and I feel I interrupt an excessive amount of and I feel I dominate some conversations greater than I wish to. So possibly simply having information to your growth, we discuss having information, it offers you some actually particular information to your growth after which presumably, you might then have a look at it over time and see in case you’re getting any higher. Helen Tupper: Yeah, since you get a rating. Sarah Ellis: That bit, I like. Helen Tupper: You’d see your scores enhancing. The “filler phrases” is de facto helpful as properly. Mine are sometimes “so”, and this does not at all times make snug studying, however really it’s good to your growth. Sarah Ellis: I am going to try this one. Helen Tupper: Yeah! Sarah Ellis: I like 50% of it and never the opposite 50%. So now, with the assistance of AI, you will have your dream job, you are smashing that dream job, and also you’re serious about, “The place shall I am going subsequent; how do I discover my profession potentialities?” So, for profession potentialities and serious about the place your profession may take you, I used a software known as wouldyouratherbe.com, and this actually encourages you to discover the artwork of the attainable. So, it sort of makes you undergo a careers quiz asking you a great deal of questions on your self, but in addition about numerous completely different sorts of jobs, and it’s like, “Would you relatively?” So it is like, “Would you relatively be a beautician or an engineer?” after which it offers you a brief paragraph about what these jobs contain. So, you do get a little bit of a really feel for, “I do not know what it seems wish to be an engineer”, however it can describe the kinds of stuff you may do, spending your time doing these roles. And it positively broadens your serious about all of the various kinds of jobs which are on the market. I’d say, of all the things I attempted, it was the one which I loved the least, as a result of it was plenty of simply clicking by way of. So it was like, “Would you relatively…?” thousands and thousands of those questions, “Profession advisor?” and I used to be like, “Possibly that one”, “Or sports activities star?” I used to be like, “Effectively, in case you’re giving me sports activities star; possibly!” So, they’re fairly dramatically completely different and so they attempt to inspire you to maintain going, as a result of they clearly want extra information, I suppose, to attempt after which be helpful. After which they categorise them into, “You prefer to creator jobs”, for instance, after which they provide you numerous concepts for, “Okay, if you wish to do creator jobs, listed below are a great deal of examples of what that might appear to be”. It was reminiscent for me of actually profession recommendation that you just do in school, however possibly barely extra refined, and I wasn’t then positive what I’d then do with it. I feel if I might possibly by no means had a job earlier than, in case you’re actually ranging from scratch, possibly it might make it easier to. However I did need to fill in plenty of stuff about me in the beginning that was all on LinkedIn, and I might really thought I hadn’t even performed the opposite software but and I used to be like, “Absolutely, this might simply — does it not simply know this?” By this level, I am anticipating all AI to be super-smart and simply know this! I used to be a bit frightened a few of it felt not as inclusive because it may very well be, as a result of I did get requested numerous questions on issues like my {qualifications}, and I used to be like, “Absolutely we wish to give folks choices and alternatives that aren’t simply based mostly on their training degree?” So, I struggled a bit with how I might discover this handy, the “so what” of this. I’d virtually like to listen to from someone maybe who possibly in case you have been in school and you are not even serious about your profession if you’re 16, 17, 18, except you are very vocationally targeted, I suppose; however possibly at that time, I may think about it could be a bit extra helpful, as a result of it does simply present you the entire various things, it means you do not restrict your self too quickly; there have been numerous completely different types and roles. However I wasn’t positive about this one. It’d simply be that I’ve not seen the potential and also you do have the identical factor of, “Am I utilizing this in the precise means?” But it surely did not work for me and I could not consider anybody who I’d then virtually advocate it for. Helen Tupper: It would not sound as helpful as a extra retro curious profession dialog. Like, I’ll have a few curious profession conversations and I’ll learn the way you bought to the place you have to and what you probably did and what you have learnt, and take into consideration whether or not that may very well be an excellent match for me in my future. I really feel like I’d get extra worth having a few curious profession conversations in fairly an analogue means, than utilizing this AI Would You Quite Be answer. Sarah Ellis: Yeah, and it actually did inform me issues I already knew. So it did say, “You’d most likely fairly like jobs the place you get to create”, and I simply assume lots of people would already know that. After which it was giving me these very wide selection of roles, however possibly not the assist with easy methods to get there, or what then I’d do. And most of the people are coming from, they’re doing one thing right this moment and I used to be like, “Now I am being informed I must go and do set design”. I am like, “Okay, that feels fairly removed from the place I’m proper now”. However once more, possibly we’re not the viewers. So, possibly in case you’re listening and also you’re in the beginning of your profession, have a go and see when you’ve got a distinct expertise; or, if somebody who’s in the beginning, maybe share it with them and tell us whether or not they discovered it helpful. Helen Tupper: One software that I used to discover profession potentialities as properly, serious about what I’d wish to do sooner or later, is I used Google Bard, which I feel is definitely fairly like ChapGPT. I feel you need to be part of a wait listing, however then you definately instantly get an electronic mail that goes, “And now you are on the listing”! Sarah Ellis: It is only a actually brief wait! Helen Tupper: I do not know whether or not they’re attempting to play with some psychology of, “Oh, I have been accepted right into a membership!” I do not know, however principally you go onto Google Bard, you be part of the wait listing after which inside about two minutes, you are within the group. And I requested it, I assumed, “Are you aware what, I will think about I wish to work at Microsoft”, like one among my profession potentialities is to work at Microsoft, and I assumed I’ll ask it about what it is wish to work in advertising at Microsoft within the UK, what the corporate tradition’s like, what the professionals and cons are of working for Microsoft. And I assumed, have you learnt what, I’ll evaluate what it says with my precise expertise of working in that organisation. Sarah Ellis: Fascinating. Helen Tupper: It was fairly correct! As a result of, Microsoft’s fairly nuanced in that you’ve what I’d consider as large Microsoft in Seattle, after which you will have the nations, that are sort of the gross sales engines for the companies. And the tradition, I’d say, within the nations is sort of completely different to the centre of the enterprise, and it picked up on these nuances, I do not know the way, nevertheless it picked up on these nuances concerning the distinction of working in nation roles versus in central firm roles. The professionals and cons have been very reflective of my expertise. So, I really thought, in case you had a wishlist of 5 corporations you wished to work in and also you have been attempting to work out what may culturally be an excellent match and what may working there appear to be, I feel utilizing a software like Google Bard, ChatGPT most likely does the identical factor, positively time properly spent. Sarah Ellis: I received requested that very query right this moment. So, after a workshop, somebody got here as much as me and stated, “If I used to be attempting to get a really feel for a tradition for an organization, something that you just’d advocate?” Really I stated, “Effectively, take a look at Glassdoor, as a result of that gives you a little bit of a really feel. It may be a bit excessive, nevertheless it gives you a little bit of a really feel. And I stated, “Go and have some curious profession conversations, so search for individuals who have possibly labored there beforehand, as a result of that is at all times actually fascinating as a result of then they have no vested , or who work there now who you assume can be ready to be sincere with you about their experiences”. However that might have been a extremely good construct. This isn’t about simply doing one factor; we’re not going, “Haven’t got conversations any extra”. However in case you have been like, “I’ve checked out that Google Bard –” why is it known as Bard, by the way in which? Helen Tupper: Effectively, is not bard like a scholar; in case you’re a bard? Sarah Ellis: I imply, possibly I’ve learnt one thing new right this moment, I do not know. I do not really feel prefer it’s a really common phrase, is it? Helen Tupper: Wasn’t Shakespeare a bard? We should always most likely know this! We could go on Google Bard and ask what a bard is?! Sarah Ellis: I simply assume it is fairly a bizarre phrase, it is not prefer it’s an on a regular basis phrase, however anyway. Helen Tupper: Effectively, ChatGPT is just not actually catchy, is it? Sarah Ellis: I do know, I discover that actually onerous to say, so I feel they need to rename it. I am obsessive about them renaming this stuff into extra helpful issues which are simple to recollect. However I do assume that’s actually useful, getting a really feel for match, we at all times discuss that. Be actually lively about exploring, get a really feel for what someplace’s actually like, and if it helps you to try this, I can see that being actually helpful. Helen Tupper: So, subsequent up, we’re going to consider, in your common day, how can AI make it easier to to avoid wasting time. What’s fascinating right here is I used a software that I feel may very well be fairly helpful and Sarah has used the identical software for a distinct objective. So, the software is Wordtune and, Sarah, what did you utilize it for? Sarah Ellis: Writing and summarising. Helen Tupper: Okay. So, wordtune.com is the software; let me inform you how I used it to avoid wasting time. So, I used to be studying, properly, I might seen a report from the World Financial Discussion board which I wished to learn, I feel it was one thing you shared on our Groups channel, Sarah, about abilities and issues, and I checked out it and I used to be like, “296 pages; that is a beast of a learn that I am not going to have the ability to do!” and I assumed, “I’ve received to check these instruments for the podcast”. And, one of many issues that Wordtune does is it summarises PDFs, stories, web sites. Sarah Ellis: Yeah, I do know, I attempted that too. Helen Tupper: And so, I simply added this 296-page World Financial Discussion board report and inside, I do not know, 30 seconds, possibly much less, it had summarised all of it for me and I used to be like, “Wow, that is fairly helpful”. Now, once I say summarised, it hadn’t performed one paragraph, it did not condense the 296 pages into one paragraph. What it did is it summarised each web page, so I may scroll down it and I may very well be like, “Okay, web page 1, that is the important thing takeaway; web page 2, that is the important thing takeaway”, so I nonetheless needed to scroll down. However what I discovered was fairly helpful was, I used to be capable of go, “That web page 36, that appears like most likely the bit that is most related for me”, and I may go and spend extra time studying the pages that have been related. It was an excellent first filter. What I do not assume it did was gave me the ultimate reply that I’d wish to get to. So, once I’m studying a report, I am trying and my explicit factor that I am attempting to get out of it’s key stats and statements which are actually sticky. And I feel for me, I used to be like, “That appears like a Helen human ability”, to have the ability to learn that report and go, “That is a sticky stat. I can write a LinkedIn publish on that” or, “That is a good suggestion, there is a nugget in that that we will use in a podcast sooner or later”. And so, that curiosity connecting dots factor, it would not try this. It principally collects numerous dots and summarises them for you, nevertheless it misses the stuff that makes it actually fascinating, as a result of I feel it virtually condenses it in fairly a generic means. Actually good for saving time; I do assume it was actually helpful, however I do not assume it replaces the necessity to learn and pick the factors that seize curiosity. Sarah Ellis: So, I completely like it. I’m very, very onboard with Wordtune, because it seems; I am like, “Oh my God, that is good!”. I do assume principally I may inform you a lot about it, I’ve spent a lot time on it! Helen Tupper: She’s so excited! I’ve by no means seen you so enthusiastic about know-how. Sarah Ellis: So, you may put in — I feel I am blown away by how intelligent some tech is typically, I am like, “Oh my God, it is simply so intelligent!” So, you may put in a paragraph, for instance, and it could possibly rewrite, so it could possibly actually rewrite a sentence, and it offers you numerous choices; that is what I actually like about it. It would not simply go, “This is a rewrite”, it goes, “This is three rewrites, you select the one that you just like the perfect”. You may shorten, so you may actually click on on a button that claims, “Shorten”, and it simply makes it extra condensed and easy; you may develop it; you should use informal or formal tone, I liked taking part in round with that and clearly I most well-liked the extra informal tone. And so, I used it on an instance. So, very particularly, somebody in our staff at Wonderful If lately requested me to rewrite one thing for them. They have been like, “I am struggling a bit to articulate this factor. Sarah, can you will have a go at rewriting it?” and I used to be like, “Yeah, actually joyful to try this”. I try this fairly a bit for folks. I am broadly okay at writing; not superb, however okay. So then I used to be like, “Would this be higher than me?” So, I do know what I’ve written, so then I may check myself in opposition to it. By that time, clearly I used to be getting fairly aggressive, I used to be like, “Do I beat the bot?” principally, “Are you able to beat the bot?” It seems most likely not. For one thing like writing, I checked out it and I used to be like, properly, if we had used this as a staff, you have to know your individual tone, you have to know your individual model, however I checked out it and I used to be like, “Yeah, there are two or three right here which are fairly good”, and also you then must tweak a tiny bit. However I used to be pondering, “I feel someone may try this for themselves, then they would not want me”, after which I spend time on issues which are including much more worth than me rewriting some sentences. So, as a lot as you are able to do it, I used to be like, “Effectively, it is simply higher”. I imply, I used to be making Helen giggle, as a result of I wished to do it in the beginning and he or she would not let me, of the podcast. I put our podcast intro into it and I used to be like, “How would you introduce Squiggly Careers podcast?” I then put what we generally say and I put that into it. I used to be like, “All of this stuff are higher than what we do!” Reid Hoffman, one of many founders of LinkedIn has written a e-book. I feel he is written a e-book utilizing ChatGPT; I feel that is what he used. It is fairly onerous to inform generally it is not written by an individual. I do assume their copy abilities, if you’re writing easy, simple issues, do they write artistic copy? I’ve received to hope nonetheless that people can try this, however I do not know. I used to be like, “Is that this going to assist us write our subsequent e-book?” Possibly. It is higher than you assume. I’d be naturally so anti that, I might again myself, I might be like, “Effectively, no, my writing will at all times be higher, they will not get our tone”. The extra I’ve used it, the extra I am like, “Possibly it ought to write our subsequent e-book, possibly we should always cease writing books as a result of the AI will simply do it for us”. It is actually made me query life, this one has!  I used to be like, “I’ve received so many questions”. Helen Tupper: I imply, I assumed this was going to be a podcast about high ideas for folks to check out tech — Sarah Ellis: Oh proper, yeah, sorry! Helen Tupper: — nevertheless it appears like we have began to query the universe and our function in it as human beings; it is gone fairly deep fairly fast! Sarah Ellis: Effectively, if you begin to see or not it’s good, really good, I used to be like, “Oh, okay, properly…” and in addition, it simply would not trouble me, as a result of I am not that bothered about with the ability to — if that may write a greater sentence, what I really like is best sentences. So, if that is what will get to higher sentences, then nice. However I nonetheless assume you most likely want the human enter, you have to know what you wish to write first. However for plenty of enterprise writing, numerous enterprise writing is not actually artistic, we’re attempting to be brief and particular and concise, and that is one thing numerous folks wrestle with and this solves that downside. Helen Tupper: It does make you assume, would not it about, “Effectively, how do you beat the bot?” If the bot’s going to get higher and higher, and it is going to get higher at writing actually, actually rapidly, it can be taught your tone and will probably be in a position to do that actually rapidly; so then, are you higher than the bot due to the questions you ask of the bot? So, does with the ability to write actually good downside statements and give you actually good questions, is that the ability that you just put money into? You might lose confidence fairly rapidly with a few of these issues and go, “Effectively, what is the level of me writing social media copy when the bot can simply do it for us?” however really I feel it is like, do not attempt to compete with tech that’s accelerating very quick, it is a dropping sport, I feel it is a dropping sport, however take into consideration, “What abilities turn out to be more and more related when that little bit of my ability’s been outsourced to a different software?” I used a extremely related, simply in case folks wish to attempt a distinct one, I used GrammarlyGO, which has precisely what Sarah says. You may put in a paragraph and it’ll write issues for you. I received it to jot down me a LinkedIn publish. It wasn’t fairly my tone, nevertheless it had among the similar performance that Sarah stated, like shorten it, make it extra casual, all that sort of stuff, which I fairly like seeing. The factor with GrammarlyGO is, I imply I can see it on my display, it integrates. This stuff, it is a bit like Poised; it integrates into your programs, it is actually onerous to do away with it. So now, each time I kind on my Groups or on my emails, I simply see the Grammarly pop up on a regular basis and I am like, “No, go, actually go, Grammarly, however not the GrammarlyGO you are attempting to market to me; go, depart me alone!” Sarah Ellis: “Go away!” Helen Tupper: Yeah, “Go away, Grammarly!” So, I do must do some deleting of some issues that I’ve downloaded for the sake of this podcast. Sarah Ellis: Oh, yeah, me too. I feel I’ve subscribed to about 4 million issues after which at one level I began to assume, “I must cease utilizing my electronic mail deal with”, genuinely, I used to be like, “That is going to be actually annoying”. So, yeah, what we do for our listeners! Helen Tupper: Proper, we have got a pair extra every, everyone. Actually fast one which I’d advocate attempting out in case you discover you fairly like watching video content material, significantly on YouTube; so, if one of many methods you be taught is by watching video content material, actually good software known as videohighlight.com. I used to be actually impressed by this. So, I took a video — we put all of our weekly PodPlus classes onto YouTube. I took a hyperlink from YouTube of one among our PodPlus classes, I pasted it into VideoHighlight, and VideoHighlight immediately transcribed our 30-minute PodPlus session, not solely into the precise factor that Sarah had stated, as a result of it was Sarah presenting, nevertheless it summarised what Sarah had stated into headings and bullet factors. I imply, you are fairly succinct and helpful anyway. Sarah Ellis: Did it make me sound good? Helen Tupper: Higher, even higher! Sarah Ellis: Good! Helen Tupper: It was bullet factors. It was a headline after which, “Listed here are 5 coach-yourself questions”, and it summarised all of them. Actually helpful. My caveat on this, it did not work with TED. So, TED should have some particular coding with the TED Talks that sit on YouTube that meant you could not do it with that. However every other YouTube video, and it took, I imply, reduce/paste press the button after which 10 seconds later, you have received a transcription. VideoHighlight.com; properly value a glance. Sarah Ellis: And so, the ultimate AI use case that we will discuss right this moment is for teaching, and in numerous methods I feel that is virtually the obvious place, as a result of we all know that we wish teaching to be extra accessible, extra inexpensive, and this can be a good way for this to occur. So, I used a software known as heypi.com, and it is really not designed to be a profession coach, I do not assume, if I’ve understood it appropriately. I feel it is designed extra to be like your buddy, or extra like an individual to simply chat to. However I assumed I’d ask it some profession questions simply to see what occurred, as a result of I used to be even pondering right this moment really, once I went out to get a espresso, so usually once I’m being nosey and I overhear conversations, I hear folks speaking to one another about their jobs or about their careers, and infrequently I actually wish to dive in and say, “Have you ever listed to episode … of the Squiggly Careers podcast; it could be helpful?” Clearly I do not try this. However I feel we do discuss to our mates and our households about our jobs and our careers, and so although I feel there’s most likely a separate episode in teaching/tech and AI and the way it could be helpful and when it may not be, I really thought it could be useful to attempt one thing barely completely different, relatively than a extra apparent teaching AI. And I used to be really shocked, I used to be actually impressed with the standard of the questions that the AI can ask you. So, I used an instance of claiming, and it’s an instance, Helen, I promise, “Feeling a bit caught in my profession, feeling demotivated, I feel I wish to do one thing completely different”. So, that was my stimulus, my place to begin. And yeah, it was asking me actually good, open questions, excellent coaching-style questions. It was empathetic in model, I felt prefer it actually understood me. I feel I may positively make mates with a robotic, I am so needy. And it additionally made some fairly first rate options. So, the kind of issues it began to immediate, I do not really feel it was patronising or telling me what to do, nevertheless it was saying, “If that is one thing you actually take pleasure in”, I feel I put “creativity”, , “may you carve out a bit extra time in your day job for that, or really does that really feel too tough to do?” So, I felt prefer it was like an empathetic buddy would, listening to what I stated, providing me some choices, after which letting me discover and seeing the place I went from there. I feel the issues that did not work for me is I nonetheless did not really feel that it was an alternative to a profession dialog, however what it’s is fast and accessible. So, in case you simply wished to have a play with it and you have got an instantaneous profession query, “How do I ask for a pay rise? I am having a extremely tough relationship with my supervisor”, you might get some preliminary ideas or questions that I feel can be fairly an excellent place to begin for teaching your self. So, virtually you may use it to do a little bit of pondering to immediate some pondering, , does it provide you with any options or stuff you’ve not considered for your self, so it furthers your individual pondering; after which, I feel you might take that into an much more significant profession dialog. So, I can begin to see how AI may make profession conversations even higher. They make it easier to to do extra of the onerous work for your self, and we all know that is essential, as a result of then you definately really feel extra possession to your solutions and to your actions. The largest downside I had with it was that the tone was means too enthusiastic for me. There’s plenty of exclamation marks and, “Superior!” I do not know why I really feel it seems like that, however that is what I felt prefer it gave the impression of. So, after a bit, it received a bit grating and I kind of went, “This isn’t fairly for me in its present kind”. However it’s also very clear, which I appreciated. On the backside of the web page it says, “That is nonetheless very a lot being examined, it makes errors, do not essentially depend on this for recommendation”. And so, in case you have been pondering, “Effectively, is that this telling me that is the precise reply?” I assumed it was very clear that it was like, “Oh, no, it is making some options”. It is providing you with some choices; it is not attempting to inform you what to do, which I do assume is a extremely good factor. So, like plenty of our different instruments, I may actually see potential, even when it is not fairly there but. Helen Tupper: So, hopefully you have discovered {that a} useful pay attention, everyone. We all know we have gone by way of a great deal of completely different instruments, so they’re all summarised within the PodSheet, which you may get on amazingif.com. If there are different instruments that you’ve tried out that you just assume we should always find out about, please electronic mail us, [email protected]. And after we publish this on social media, which will probably be on @amazingif on Instagram, and on our LinkedIn web page there, please remark, share, in order that different folks can have a play with this stuff. Our perspective is simply the extra we play, the extra snug we get, and the extra we additionally see how these can assist us and the way we would want to assist ourselves with our very human abilities too. So, thanks a lot for listening, everyone, and we’ll be again once more subsequent week. Bye everybody. Sarah Ellis: Bye for now.
